The Heretics' Hour: Predators, “Masculinists” and Legal Persecutors

33 Responses

1. Lurker

   October 23, 2012 at 6:27 am

   Savile died in October 2011. He was two days short of his 85th birthday, he must have been incredibly fit, he was still running marathons in his 70s.

2. Joshua

   October 23, 2012 at 5:40 pm

   Did I detect hesitation and doubt about the word “Bourgeois” ?!!
   The Bourgeoisie is basically “Middle Class” as opposed to “Working Class”. I am one of the bourgeoisie and proud of it. The bourgeois creates the structure of society. They often employs others and are mostly productive and creative business men and women. They do not collect pay packets on a weekly basis. They are over-all debt free and financially independent. In some cases they may be complete idlers with the financial backing to be so. In any case who is to be the judge of creativity etc ?
   They were a target of the Bolsheviks and Marxists in every revolution. In Russia if they were gentiles they were ripped off of both their lives and their possessions, but without the bourgeoisie, economies quickly collapse as happened in the USSR. There the gentile bourgeois was not a slave to the Jew or anyone else and was therefore detested and feared by the predatory communist Jew.
   Since the bourgeoisie are honest, they don’t fall prey to the Jew because “you can’t con and honest man!”. Judges such as those women who convicted Frederick Tobin are not bourgeois because they depend on a pay packet, nor is the bureaucrat or politician or the company executive even if they have the trappings of success such as nice car and house, for the same reason. They are servants. They are “White Collar Workers” and so “Working Class” and secretly many of them are envious of the bourgeoisie.
   I rate Mr Tobin as bourgeois even if bankrupt. Bourgeois is also a state of mind. I am sure he will pull through. Such people have the ability to attract money.

3. John McGhee

   October 23, 2012 at 7:21 pm

   Here is the Saville documentary in full

   Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile (ITV)
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKdmTj-jQ4Q

4. Hadding

   October 23, 2012 at 8:29 pm

   The bourgeoisie plays the crucial role in Marxist theory. The bourgeoisie are the people that will cause the destruction of nations mingling of races through their pursuit of profit. The role of Jews is left out in the Marxist narrative, but the complicity of the bourgeoisie in the destruction of their own races and nations is real.

   The bourgeois “state of mind” is opportunist, materialist and conformist. It is something that has to be overcome.

5. Carolyn

   October 23, 2012 at 8:36 pm

   Savile died in October 2011.

   Thanks for this and your previous comment. I failed to pay attention to exactly when he died and botched it up pretty good. Makes sense that they were doing “tributes” to him after he died … so previous to Dec. 2011!

6. Carolyn

   October 23, 2012 at 9:23 pm

   But that, Hadding, is your definition of bourgeois … and others. I’m sure bourgeois can be defined differently. Joshua was definitely seeing it differently. Do we allow Marx to tell us what things are?

7. Lurker

   October 23, 2012 at 9:35 pm

   Thanks Carolyn, my pleasure.

8. Carolyn

   October 23, 2012 at 10:10 pm

   Thanks John, for this vid link. I enjoyed it very much. This is not the BBC documentary that aired yesterday, but the one presented by ITV on Oct. 4 (if I recall right) that broke the whole scandal open. The TV program that attracted 19 million viewers! So ITV did what BBC would not do.

   If you find the the BBC Panorama investigation show on the Internet, send that along too! 

9. Don

   October 23, 2012 at 10:42 pm

   I am a great admirer of Toben, having heard him speak a number of times and having watched his courage in the face of overwhelming odds, but I’m no admirer of his goof ball theory that we should blame the pathetic weaklings and traitors who bend to the will of God’s Chosen People rather than to those who give the orders and pull the strings,
   whether openly or from behind the scenes.

   The powers behind the throne who give the orders are equally as evil as the hirelings who do their bidding…perhaps more so because the powers’ superior position sets in motion the underlings who do their bidding and inflict suffering on dissidents like Toben.

   Toben’s right to blame weaklings who “bend” and do their bidding, but giving undeserved absolution to the truly responsible only gives them more power without providing any protection for their victims…as Toben has learned.

10. Carolyn

    October 23, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Don, I think you don’t understand Fredrick Toben, either his words or his perspective. It’s clear when you use phrases like “giving undeserved absolution”. He does no such thing. He just says that Jews behave according to their nature and their world view, so he doesn’t expect them to act differently. I think that’s a more intelligent stance than expecting Jews to change, or be nice, as some do.

    I imagine you’ve done a fair amount of bending too, during your life so far. Hmm?

11. Hadding

    October 24, 2012 at 1:54 am

    The word bourgeois came into question because of this sentence from Jack Donovan:

    “The right is suffering from a stuffy, bourgeois blandness incapable of igniting the imagination.”

    Carolyn Yeager asked me, is that true?

    I said that bourgeois thinking is a problem, but I am not concerned about the same aspect of it that concerns Jack Donovan.

    The economic determinism that passes for conservatism in the United States today is primarily an expression of bourgeois class-interest. It is the political doctrine of people who equate virtue with ability to earn money. Many who think of themselves as White Nationalists have unfortunately not really broken from that bourgeois conservatism and are not critical of it.

    It is impossible to become a national-socialist without first becoming critical of thinking that is based on the interest of a particular economic class.

12. Hadding

    October 24, 2012 at 2:25 am

    Merriam-Webster’s Definion of BOURGEOIS:

    1: of, relating to, or characteristic of the social middle class
    2: marked by a concern for material interests and respectability and a tendency toward mediocrity
    3: dominated by commercial and industrial interests : capitalistic

    I don’t see Joshua’s “honest” in that definition. In fact, the bourgeoisie have been the Jews’ main allies and are easily influenced by them. The Jews’ mass-media tell the public what is respectable, and the bourgeoisie for the most part toes the line.

13. Carolyn

    October 24, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    The economic determinism that passes for conservatism in the United States today is primarily an expression of bourgeois class-interest. It is the political doctrine of people who equate virtue with ability to earn money.

    I think we have to be careful not to denounce “the ability to earn money” and praise not earning money. That is socialism of the “left” sort, and is not what we want under a National-Socialism as I see it. Under a national-socialism in a racially heterogeneous nation, those who have the ability to generate money are highly desirable folk. And necessary, I might add. It’s the job of the Leader to see that everything is “fair and balanced” in a way to take care of the needs of all. You’re never going to have a society in which everyone is a revolutionary-minded citizen — nor would you really want to. Joshua spoke of the “bourgeoisie” as the productive middle-class. I think the word “bourgeois” is not a good word to use in societies of today. The people who most like to use it are those like O’Meara and Donovan who want to discard middle-class values such as propriety. I still defend respectability, up to a point.

14. Carolyn

    October 24, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Merriam-Webster’s definition says nothing about the “Jews” either, but you are applying it to the Jewish control of mass-media, thus how the Jews influence the “bourgeoisie” or mainstream public. You have non-bourgeoisie elements (far left) who are even more influenced by the Jews than the middle-class are!

    Again I say, the word ‘bourgeois’ only clouds the issues we face today and is used for that reason.

15. John McGhee

    October 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Here you go Carolyn and everybody the full BBC Panorama program.

    Jimmy Savile – What The BBC Knew : Panorama 2012 – 01:04:27.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuEsj2WMf8

16. Hadding

    October 24, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    I think we have to be careful not to denounce “the ability to earn money” and praise not earning money. That is socialism of the “left” sort, and is not what we want under a National-Socialism as I see it. Under a national-socialism in a racially heterogeneous nation, those who have the ability to generate money are highly desirable folk.

    There is a big difference between generating money and generating the goods that a nation needs.

    In terms of economics National-Socialism is more left than right; hence the name. Most WNs have a lot to learn from the left.

    The difference between the Marxist left and national-socialism is that the Marxists (or Jews) wish to perpetuate class-conflict whereas national-socialists see class-reconciliation as the answer to class-conflict.

    Under national-socialism the interest of a whole people comes before the interest of a particular class.

    In the current economic situation, where large numbers of White men especially are unemployed, largely due to the profit-seeking of international commerce, the criticism of bourgeois thinking is anything but irrelevant. We have large numbers of White people thinking that earning a lot of money is a more important badge of merit than race. That’s bourgeois thinking and it’s a big part of our problem.

    At the recent Stormfront conference in Tennessee David Duke said that national healthcare per se was not a bad idea. Duke realizes that the free-market, less-government ideology is no longer tenable and is not going to win any popularity contests among White people in the future.

17. Carolyn

    October 24, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    To John: Panorama did a very good job, didn’t they? Well, I think so. People should watch it – it reveals the public mind-set as it is formed and molded by the Entertainment Industry. Not only the kids but the middle-aged, and even old women, were under the spell (star-struck) not only of Jimmy Savile but the whole ball of crap called ‘television entertainment.’ Men too, to a lesser extent … while the well-paid executives and producers only see it in terms of whether the “star” is a hit or a flop. I’m sure Savile is not as unusual as they would like us to believe. Also, if it were not for ITV running the expose on Oct. 4, BBC would still not have done anything.

    But it was well-done and thorough. Thanks very much, John!

18. Joshua

    October 24, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Bourgeois are also a subject of ridicule. ” La charme discret de la bourgeoisie” by Louis
    Bunuel gave me a few laughs. You can probably find it on Vuze.

19. Carolyn

    October 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    In terms of economics National-Socialism is more left than right; hence the name. Most WNs have a lot to learn from the left.

    Now you are sounding very much like the “North American New Right”, so maybe you should “watch out.”  [Reference to your comment to me on the program that I should watch out about saying anything good about the bourgeoisie because Gottfried Feder spoke against it.]
    You have taken this very far from where we started out, which was the use of “bourgeois” to describe those who are opposed to sexual freedom and homosexual sex as normal in society, including WN society. My question was: Do you think this is bourgeois? In other words, stuffy mediocrity? The answer is no.

    Joshua then equated bourgeois with middle-class and spoke in their favor. You are criticizing middle-class values (and it’s work ethic) by focusing only on the worst side of it, and praising socialism. I am not going any farther because it has moved away from the topic of the program and I don’t have time for it. BTW, generating money and generating goods comes down to the same thing in the context it was being used. It means generating VALUE in real, physical terms. Like food on people’s tables.

20. Hadding

    October 24, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    This British blog, The Slog, is pretty astute, I think.

    Slog suggests that the attention focused on Jimmy Savile, whose offenses are ancient history and impossible to remedy or punish, is politically motivated, and a distraction from much more current and serious problems, like Muslim pædophile rings — real pædophiles, raping prepubescent girls.

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/paedophiles-in-power-why-jimmy-savile-got-away-with-it/

21. Lurker

    October 24, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    The Savile scandal is also turning into a bit of a hate-fest against the BBC. Thats also distracting attention away from the hunt for other offenders in other organisations but yes its rather convenient that this happens now, just when assorted muslims are going into court.

22. John McGhee

    October 24, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Moreover, in this view the first duty laid upon the State is to guarantee the economic well-being of the individual citizens. Hence it is judged from the practical standpoint and according to general principles based on the idea of economic returns. The chief representatives of this theory of the State are to be found among the average German bourgeoisie, especially our liberal democrats.

    [...]

    Hence the supreme purpose of the folkish State is to guard and preserve those original racial elements which, through their work in the cultural field, create that beauty and dignity which are characteristic of a higher mankind. We, as Aryans, can consider the State only as the living organism of a people, an organism which does not merely maintain the existence of a people, but functions in such a way as to lead its people to a position of supreme liberty by the progressive development of the intellectual and cultural faculties.

    http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch02.html

23. Arminius

    October 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Here’s an amazing inside look at Islam in Europe, female circumcision and all.

    A Jew infiltrates European Muslim community part 2 of 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llFe81PtLew&list=UUcCuJ-Nrd1auWP1Nw99J3jw&index=2&feature=plcp

24. Carolyn

    October 24, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Hadding, this blog doesn’t mention Muslim pedophile rings except indirectly. It quotes cases from the very same “Labor 25″ website I did in my previous program., and the focus is all on the
    British political parties, not Muslim rapists. Why do you keep trying to “make your point” by using something that doesn’t make it?

    Also, Savile’s offenses are not ancient history … you have not educated yourself about him.

25. Carolyn

    October 24, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Lurker, I don’t think it has a damn thing to do with Muslims. You guys just don’t want to face up to what White men do. Don’t get all caught up in conspiracy theories now. If you’re not willing to clean up your own act, we’ll never get anywhere.

    P.S. It may be that White Elites in Britain allow the Muslims to rape White British girls to distract from their own sexually abusive behavior of both boys and girls of a more institutionalized kind.

26. Lurker

    October 25, 2012 at 4:26 am

    Carolyn – Im more inclined to your view, its seeing how widespread the problem is, what needs to be done. The ‘right’ in the UK are focusing on the BBC as the problem and thats a distraction, its obviously a problem generally. But one has too keep an eye on the wider situation ie that this has come to the fore just as Muslim gangs responsible for hundreds of incidents in total are going into court.

    Ive noticed more than one liberal gleefully highlighting Savile and how those evil racists just want to talk about muslims. So those types are more than happy with the situation, providing cover for their pawns.

27. Carl

    October 25, 2012 at 10:19 am

    I just want to say that Savile looks totally goofy. If he had approached me during any of my childhood illnesses, I think it would have made me worse.

28. Carolyn

    October 25, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Thanks Lurker. Naturally any wrongdoers are going to try to point the finger somewhere else; this is basic self-preservation, I guess. And every aware person will use whatever is happening as an opportunity to make their point, if it’s at all possible. But where is the evidence that Muslim gangs are just now going into court over rapes of White girls and “Jimmy Savile” was brought out now to distract from that? There’s plenty of evidence that the Savile business had been ready to explode for awhile. You can say that ITV wanted to make BBC, their competitor, look bad … and in Britain no competitor can touch the BBC for ratings and breadth of reach. Once ITV ran their documentary on Savile, neither the BBC nor the British government could hold it back. Now attention should remain on it and as much as possible should come out, despite the Muslim problem, which can actually be seen as part of the Whole Problem, which is that children and youth have always throughout history been abused, taken advantage of, because they are powerless – they are weak and vulnerable.

    When those who should be protecting them – our White males – become part of the problem by institutionalizing this abuse for their own decadent and sick pleasures, this must be faced up to and stopped. Period. But WN males are clearly collusive in allowing it to continue … as long as it them and not Muslims, Blacks or Asians who are doing the raping! Usually, when you clean up your own house, and your house is in order, no one can break in and rob you of what’s yours. This is where we have fallen down, and where all societies fall down … and break apart. Hadding is perfectly aware of this, but keeps hold of a few blind spots because he doesn’t want to take away ANY White male privilege. In this he is like most “return to Patriarchy” White men, and this, I argue, is not the single solution that will restore us to health.

29. Don

    October 25, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Carolyn:

    Well, no Carolyn. Actually I have done NOT done any bending in my life where pro-white loyalty is concerned, whether in college when the Black Student Union stormed the college newspaper office to attack me because they didn’t like my pro-white writing (I was absent that day), or more recently when I attended a Tea Party rally with my “Equal Rights for Whites” sign and they pushed me off the sidewalk into the path of an oncoming car, whose driver swerved to avoid killing me. Undaunted, they called the cops to arrest me. A Latina Deputy Sheriff responded, explained that I had committed no crime, and said that if they didn’t leave me alone she would arrest them(!)

    How ironic that I was treated more respectfully by a non-white politically correct Deputy Sheriff than by a white activist like you when you published your snide, unwarranted insult against me.

30. Carolyn

    October 26, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Well Don, I was referring to Jews, which you had to be referring to also in your comment about Fredrick Toben’s “goof-ball” theory — not blacks or Southern Calif. anti-White, pro-immigration protesters. It’s a totally different thing. As a lawyer, you must have seen and gone along with many a Jewish trick in your day. Maybe you didn’t even recognize them, as most of us didn’t. I just get a little piqued at the tendency of so many to present themselves as paragons of virtue in defending our race, when there are probably hundreds of little things that we have forgotten about. You certainly never have faced the concerted Jewish assault that Fredrick Toben has faced, and let’s hope you and I never do.

31. Jay

    October 26, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Don, where they the Tea Party activist that pushed you aside?

32. Hadding

    October 27, 2012 at 3:15 am

    I hate the fact that “Christian” is inserted before family values. I certainly did not suggest that. It almost concedes the point that family values are Judaic. Family values in Europe are in fact older than Christianity, which was my point.

33. Hadding

    October 27, 2012 at 3:31 am

    CPS in the UK stands for Crown Prosecution Service. http://www.cps.gov.uk/