Why would they lie?

Published by carolyn on Sat, 2016-10-15 01:27

By Carolyn Yeager

THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED FOR THE PAST FEW DAYS BY FEMALE PUNDITS and news show hosts, and all liberal Democrats on TV … about the women who are coming forth to accuse Republican nominee for president, Donald Trump, of forcing unwanted sexual advances on them. What reason would they have for lying? It was asked the other night by Megyn Kelly of Fox News, with a sorrowful look on her face as she seemed to be trying to make her eyes water to demonstrate how seriously she takes it.

But this question is one those of us engaged in historical revisionism are very familiar with. In holocaust revisionism, especially, it is used as a standard defense for the wild stories told by survivors (or surlievors, as I call them) without any corroborating evidence or witnesses to back them up. Why would they lie about such a thing, it is asked. What reason do they have to lie?

How naive. Plenty of reasons, is the answer.

First, they hate the person they are lying about and see him (or her) as the enemy. These women are all liberal progressives and feminists who despise Trump and believe having him in the White House would be a disaster. So they feel virtuous in doing what they can to harm his chances.

Second, some women have fantasies and pick up details they hear or read elsewhere and incorporate them into their own “story.” We will see this in the case of Jessica Leeds.

Third, women are notoriously vindictive when given the chance. In our long past in which women were forced to be submissive and had no legal rights, some have been left with a residue of wanting to get even with dominating men.

Fourth, there is such a phenomenon as “the bandwagon” and these women are now joining it. There is security in numbers. Any experience they may have had with Trump in the past – no matter how slight and undefined – they can now re-interpret and fill-in to make themselves a part of the growing chorus.

Feminist Attorney Gloria Allred comforts her client Summer Zervos as she publicly accuses Donald Trump of kissing her without her permission.

What gets me is the woman who appears emotionally traumatized (above) because Trump kissed her after she was disqualified on The Apprentice TV show in 2007 - 9 years ago! Maybe he was trying to make her feel better. I mean, how terrible is a kiss? But she said in a statement to him yesterday, standing beside her female lawyer, You do not have the right to treat women as sexual objects just because you are a star.” At the time, she gladly accepted a consolation job from him at one of his gold courses.

A new twist comes from Zervos' cousin John Barry of Mission Viejo, Calif. He said in a statement that Zervos spoke glowingly of Trump until the real estate mogul rebuffed an invitation to visit her restaurant during the primary campaign. "I think Summer wishes she could still be on reality TV, and in an effort to get that back she’s saying all of these negative things about Mr. Trump," Barry said. "That’s not how she talked about him before."

Jessica Leeds story has been badly compromised

The very first woman to come out with her “sex” accusation against Trump is Jessica Leeds and now her colorful story has been refuted by an eye-witness in the airplane. In addition, she has a history of conflict with Trump property holdings.

Leeds (right) had stated in a videotaped interview that she had been invited to move to the first class cabin because there was a vacant seat. [This good fortune happened to me once on a flight from Hawaii to Dallas; it's not unusual.] The seat turned out to be next to the well-known Donald Trump. I think she would have had the aisle seat. They chatted some for about an hour. Then -

“It wasn't until they cleared the meal ...that … somehow or another … the armrest in, in the seat disappeared, and it was a real shock when all of a sudden … his hands were all over me. He started encroaching on my space, and … I hesitate to use this expression but I'm going to, and that is, he was like an octopus and it was like he had six arms, he was all over the place. If he had stuck with … the upper part of the body, I might not have gotten (smiling) … I might not have gotten that upset. But it was when he started putting his hand up my skirt … and, that was it. That Was It. I was out of there. And I don't think I said a word.”

UPDATE 10/15, 8:30 pm -- It has been reported by Infowars.com:

Leeds also said Trump “was like an octopus. His hands were everywhere,” which is almost word-for-word the same description used in a 2014 sexual allegation made against Coronation Street actor Bill Roache. “He was like an octopus. Hands everywhere,” Roache’s accuser told police.

Leeds’ statement was also nearly identical to lyrics used in the Velvet Underground song “The Gift.” “My God, he was like an octopus. Hands all over the place,” the lyrics went.

UPDATE 10/16, 8:00 PM -- I just heard Leeds saying on this video recording @2m5sec that her seat in First Class was the first seat (aisle) in the cabin. Up at the front is where the stewardesses (as she calls them) hang out, so there was no way they would not have seen what was happening in the first seats! This woman has some 'splaining to do.

First, the stewardesses would have stopped any "encroachment on one's space" from continuing. They are trained to do that. Also, it has been proven that the plane she says she was on had unmoveable armrests in First Class. That is, the armrest couldn't be raised up. But “somehow or other” it moved. This is so very reminiscent of holocaust surlievor tales wherein it can't be explained how crucial things happen, but somehow they did. A perfect example of this is Irene Zisblatt, author of the cringeworthy The Fifth Diamond, telling how when entering the gas chamber at Auschwitz she found herself somehow or other being pushed backward and somehow or other she was outside when the door was closed. Also, somehow or other, no guard noticed her and she was able to go and hide under a low roof until they had all left. Somehow or other.

Enter Anthony Gilberthorpe

There was a man in the seat across the aisle whom she said was aware of what was taking place but didn't do or say anything. “The guy in the seat across the aisle could see,” she said to CNN. This man has come forward after reading about this and seeing the NY Times video. His name is Anthony Gilberthorpe of London. He said he was on the flight in either 1980 or 1981 (Leeds says it was 1979).

“I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious.”

According to the New York Post, Gilberthorpe, 54, said he was sitting across the first class aisle from the couple and saw nothing inappropriate. Leeds was wearing a white pantsuit, he said, while Trump was wearing a suit and cuff-links, which he gave to his British flight companion. (Note that Leeds said she was wearing a skirt.) [A young Leeds at right]

Gilberthorpe said Leeds was “trying too hard” to win Trump over, and when Trump excused himself to go to the lavatory, Leeds told Gilberthorpe “she wanted to marry him.” He said there was no kissing, but the “shrill” Leeds was “very much in your face” with the real estate developer.

Gilberthorpe is even saying he wants to meet Leeds face to face to challenge her:

“I will go to head to head with her — I will meet her again. I will see her eyes across the table with my eyes and I will challenge her on the points she made. And I’ll tell you what, I would do this whether it was for Trump, for Clinton, for Obama, or for any man who’s been accused of sexually molesting someone when I know he did not.”

Leeds could not immediately be reached for comment.

So there you go – it's two against one. And what this woman said to Anderson Cooper on CNN really challenges her credibility. She said Trump's hands on her body and trying to kiss her went on for 15 minutes!! Cooper found that problematic and so would anyone. After tolerating it for all that time, she said she got her bag and went back to the 2nd class section, to the furthest back seat. But didn't mention any of it to the stewardesses? And they didn't notice her strange behavior and ask her if she was alright? No, it just doesn't work that way. This woman is a liar, just like Irene Zisblatt. We have to conclude that if the one who began this attack on Trump is telling a false story, there is no reason to believe any of the others who have jumped on the bandwagon. Case closed.


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Rachel Crooks college drop-out disappointed Trump didn't make her a model

Mindy McGillivray single mom with history of arrests wants daughter to look up to her


I am so disgusted with the corporate press. I used to think I was aware of media bias, that I was an informed consumer of news, but this year has made me realise I was still being hoodwinked. The MSM has become so blatant in the way it pushes establishment propaganda, so unashamed in its open attempt to try and attack Trump and push Clinton into the White House, that it stuns me that anyone out there could still not realise it. This whole brouhaha is taking that corruption down to even lower levels, so far into the gutter you can no longer see it.
There is no evidence behind any of these accusations. None. If there was, why aren't they taking Trump to court? Why not go to the police? The way this has been deliberately engineered by the Clinton campaign and the state-run media they control is despicable. They are creating a situation where no man can ever win an election again, because all it takes to stop him is zero-evidence allegations.
Until this year I'd always figured elections were a rigged game, two Jew-friendly stooges running against one another in a fake competition. Trump and some of his family members are hardly perfect from our standpoint as nationalists, but he is a patriot and is willing to attack globalists and open borders. The fact he managed to get where he is shows that the US electoral system wasn't entirely rigged, that it still had some routes inside it for REAL PEOPLE to get elected. The establishment is doing everything they can to sew up and close those routes, and to scuttle his campaign. The hypocrisy from those who preach loudest about 'democracy' is sickening.

Hope Trump sues, especially if he loses. He can afford it, so make 'em pay! Big damage pay-outs will make the media think twice about lying in future. 

Sounds like you're doing the same thing you're ranting about here---trying to force things to fit your own worldview.  You've presented no evidence that Gilberthorpe was remembering a Leeds/Trump interactiion, and not Donald talking to some other woman on some other flight.   Gilberthorpe would certainly remember sitting near Donald Trump on a flight long ago if Donald gave him his cufflinks.  Now that he sees a flight-based accusation from that time period he would *want* it to be the same flight he was on so he could defend the man that gave him cufflinks.   The likelihood of it actually being true is low.If you delete Gilberthorpe on the basis of no evidence, then Leeds accusation seems true, and according to your logic, the rest would therefore be true as well.

The likelihood of it actually being true is low.If you delete Gilberthorpe on the basis of no evidence, then Leeds accusation seems true, and according to your logic, the rest would therefore be true as well.

I only said it was two against one, but your logic is totally faulty. Gilberthorpe is presenting what he said happened, just as Leeds is presenting what she said happened. Neither has evidence. So Leeds accusation is no more true than is Gilberthorpe's response.

You are making the mistake of believing Leeds and saying it requires hard proof to refute her. No, it doesn't, because she has presented nothing, plus her story is full of "red flags." Read this article for some more of the red flags. She appears to be a woman who is interested in  sex abuse stories - even her stepdaughter is a convicted sex batterer. 

The deal with the cuff links needs to be investigated. I thought Leeds might have been the British person G. referred to, but if it is him, that's a story that needs to be explained. A whole lot needs to be explained and I hope it will be.

I said "seems" true.  And it does.  No one has any facts here, so we have to go with what is most reasonable.  Most reasonable is that Gilberthorpe is remembering a different early 80's flight with Donald Trump, and that Leeds experienced some kind of inappropriate sexual advance from Donald Trump on a plane that she considered par for the course at the time, but began to bother her only when he specifically denied ever having groped a woman.  I don't see what she has to gain here.The rest, who knows.

No one has any facts here, so we have to go with what is most reasonable.

Oh yes, we do have some facts now. I pointed to some of them in my previous comment, but you are ignoring them.

Leeds story is completely unbelievable without any input from Gilberthorpe. There is the fact of -

1) the divided seats in First Class with a permanent armrest between them. Try explaining how her story would work in these seats.

2) First Class seats are wider/roomier so a woman could move over to one side to avoid the person in the other seat;

3) Leeds said she flew in a Braniff 707 but only a 727 would have flown that route;

4) Leeds said Trump had his hands all over her body and was kissing her for 15 minutes!! (even 1 minute is a long time in those circumstances) but she didn't say a word. She hoped that the stewardess would come by and stop him (???) but the stewardess never did. LIE. There are two stewardesses in First Class, and it is not that many seats - manybe 5-10 rows? The stewardesses are aware of everything that is going on all the time. I was in First Class on an overseas flight and there were very few seats, probably only 5 rows of 4 across - 20 people. Have you ever flown First Class, Scott? What Leeds says here is impossible in real life. She didn't trouble herself to think it through, just like those holocaust surlievors who say impossible things and the media goes along with them. It's for identical reasons and that's why I use the comparison.

4) She copied the words she used to describe it: "He was like an octopus, his hands were everywhere" comes from a famous sex abuse trial in 2014 and also a popular song by Velvet Underground.

5) Leeds is Secretary of the New York chapter of Altrusa USA (from root word altruism), which describes itself as "a builder of women." She wants Hillary Clinton to be the first woman president.

Leeds is a political activist, not a victim of Donald Trump. Trump is her victim! But she will be exposed because her tale is so impossible. So no, none of it "seems" true.

This woman Leeds looks like she's had a hard life. Gilberthorpe's recollections accurately depict the classic MO of a gold digger---or worse. So it's likely she's not a headcase----she's only in it for the $$$.

15 minutes.  absolute nonsense.  abandoned by the flight attendants and other passengers in first class. 

In addition to the reasons cited by Carolyn for disbelieving Leeds, I would add one more:  It would not be in Trump's character to treat someone sadistically.  He is a hero who wishes to help people.  True, he has the alpha male characteristic of strong attraction to the opposite sex, but that's good.  It makes for a strong leader.
On the other hand, the Clinton's -- especially Hillary -- are sick and pathological.

Thanks for running this article.  I am amazed that so many people do not realize that upon this election hangs the future of our Democratic Republic, whether we will have one or not.  These women are traitors and I hope that Mr. Trump, win or lose, prosecutes them to the fullest extent of the law. 
It is clearly noticeable that the game is to side track Mr. Trump into a defensive posture so that we do not focus upon the issues.  If he responds he's defensive, if he doesn't he's guilty.   None of the public media is looping the Anthony Gilberthorpe if they mention him at all.  
The Dems have made this election about race, they are racists, they have made it about gender, they are sexists, all the while blaming their opponent of these things, which makes them hypocrites. 
 They would sell the republic over something Mr. Trump said 11 years ago while ignoring the fact the HRC said to our faces that she has the right to lie to us because she has some vague notion that her lies are justified by Abraham Lincoln.  Frankly, HRC's election scares the hell out of me; especially, her saber rattling toward Russia.  

Anyone who wants proof of how deeply evil Hillary Clinton is (as if we needed any... the evidence is right in front of us) should watch this:
James O'Keefe and his staff embedded themsleves in the Clinton campaign as undercover journalists. And guess what they discovered? All those riots earlier in the year, where Trump supporters and police were mobbed, beaten, and cars and property were vandalised and destroyed? All were organised by the Democratic Party and its PACs. All of them. Their staff say so on camera, not knowing they're being filmed.
And yet CNN & MSNBC will ignore it. Trump has to win. The future of the West is fucked if he doesn't. Keep up the good fight, Carolyn. Blogs like yours are important, especially when the entire mainstream media apparatus is compromised.

If you want your website to be taken seriously please do your research. The Jessica Leeds in the property dispute with Trump is an entirely different person. Their ages are at least ten years apart and I would question any sources your referring to that haven't done that same basic research. I assume you made that mistake in good faith and will correct it. It doesn't help your cause to include easily disproven arguments.

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